1 00:00:02,830 --> 00:00:07,829 [Music] 2 00:00:13,830 --> 00:00:11,509 hello and welcome to episode number 35 3 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:13,840 of the point of convergence podcast 4 00:00:20,310 --> 00:00:18,400 as always i am your host exo academian 5 00:00:22,710 --> 00:00:20,320 in last week's episode of the point of 6 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:22,720 convergence podcast we discussed what i 7 00:00:27,029 --> 00:00:24,720 consider to be one of the most important 8 00:00:28,390 --> 00:00:27,039 cases in the history of the ufo 9 00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:28,400 phenomenon 10 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:30,800 i speak here of the astounding life and 11 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:33,840 times of dorothy isaac a soft-spoken 12 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:36,480 woman who managed to capture 30 000 feet 13 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:39,200 of film footage documenting bizarre 14 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:42,000 astonishing bewildering objects and 15 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:44,719 lights in the sky outside her home in a 16 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,000 suburb of vancouver british columbia 17 00:00:52,549 --> 00:00:50,160 of course the capturing of the footage 18 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:52,559 as compelling as that is in terms of 19 00:00:56,630 --> 00:00:54,399 offering clear evidence 20 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:56,640 of something you might call otherworldly 21 00:01:01,670 --> 00:00:59,359 really taking place was perhaps not the 22 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:01,680 most important or compelling aspect of 23 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:03,520 dorothy's experience 24 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:05,360 she also claimed to be in regular 25 00:01:11,109 --> 00:01:07,840 communication with the intelligences 26 00:01:13,270 --> 00:01:11,119 behind these dizzying visual displays 27 00:01:15,429 --> 00:01:13,280 and that combination of documented 28 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:15,439 evidence of contact along with the 29 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:17,680 nature of the communication that took 30 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:19,759 place with these others is what makes 31 00:01:30,069 --> 00:01:27,030 notice i used the term intelligences to 32 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:30,079 describe dorothy's contact experiences 33 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:32,240 i do that not only to distinguish 34 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:34,720 different individuals within one type or 35 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,640 race of alien beings 36 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:38,400 but also to acknowledge the sheer 37 00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:41,360 breadth of contact dorothy encountered 38 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:43,119 involving numerous different kinds of 39 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:45,040 beings that fit the description of 40 00:01:49,030 --> 00:01:47,520 aliens we typically categorize as 41 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:49,040 extraterrestrial 42 00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:51,360 but also other entities which as we 43 00:01:56,230 --> 00:01:53,360 mentioned last week might better be 44 00:01:58,870 --> 00:01:56,240 described as extra-dimensional whom 45 00:02:00,789 --> 00:01:58,880 dorothy saw as basically angelic in 46 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:00,799 nature 47 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:03,200 indeed dorothy's ability to see and 48 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:05,360 interact with such a broad assortment of 49 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:08,160 others seems directly connected to her 50 00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:10,560 capacity to perceive a much wider 51 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:12,879 spectrum of reality than the typical 52 00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:14,480 human being 53 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:16,640 that capacity included her apparent 54 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:20,319 ability to see energy such as microwaves 55 00:02:25,910 --> 00:02:23,520 which we'll get to later in the episode 56 00:02:28,229 --> 00:02:25,920 interestingly her capacity for this kind 57 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:28,239 of extraordinary perception 58 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:30,640 seemed to arise through a combination of 59 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:33,920 what one might call innate gifting and a 60 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:37,360 kind of augmentation and tuning done by 61 00:02:42,790 --> 00:02:40,080 some of these beings themselves 62 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:42,800 dorothy izat's case is also fascinating 63 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:45,040 and illuminating because it touches on 64 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:47,360 her apparent history over multiple 65 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:50,000 lifetimes during which these others 66 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:51,840 claim to have been in contact and 67 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,800 ongoing relationship with her 68 00:02:59,589 --> 00:02:56,640 indeed this piece dealing with the 69 00:03:01,750 --> 00:02:59,599 expanded modalities of human beings 70 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:01,760 seems to be central to our quest to 71 00:03:06,869 --> 00:03:04,000 understand more about the ultimate 72 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:06,879 nature of the ufo phenomenon and indeed 73 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:10,000 of the fabric of reality itself 74 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:12,239 all that is to say the case of dorothy 75 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:14,800 isaac is simply too intriguing and too 76 00:03:19,509 --> 00:03:17,599 illuminating to be covered adequately in 77 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:19,519 a single episode 78 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:21,760 and thus a further discussion of the 79 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:24,720 groundbreaking case of dorothy isaac is 80 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:27,760 the topic of this the 35th episode of 81 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:36,630 [Music] 82 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:39,040 as we begin this week's episode i'd just 83 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:41,440 like to say that if you haven't heard 84 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:43,360 last week's episode which would be 85 00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:45,280 episode number 34 86 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:47,200 i'd highly suggest you go and listen to 87 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:49,760 that first before coming back to listen 88 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:52,480 to this episode because part one 89 00:03:57,030 --> 00:03:54,879 includes important details that set the 90 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:57,040 stage for some of the events we'll be 91 00:04:02,869 --> 00:04:00,319 discussing here in part two just a 92 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:02,879 reminder much of this material is from 93 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,239 peter gutilla's book contact with beings 94 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:08,480 of light this is a book all about 95 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:10,879 dorothy isaac and her adventure with 96 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:14,239 these various beings 97 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:16,000 as i mentioned last week i highly 98 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:18,720 recommend this book it includes details 99 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:21,280 many many details many of which we can't 100 00:04:25,990 --> 00:04:23,600 get to in the time we have even over two 101 00:04:29,189 --> 00:04:26,000 episodes so i'd highly recommend you 102 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:29,199 give that a read now let's pick up with 103 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:31,600 the question dorothy kept asking herself 104 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:33,199 at least initially 105 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:35,919 why me why am i having such a unique 106 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:38,240 experience with these others why are 107 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:41,440 other people not experiencing what i am 108 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,199 quoting from the book again 109 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:45,840 quote so if the images on film were 110 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:48,080 genuine and there was little doubt about 111 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:50,960 that the next logical question was why 112 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:52,320 dorothy 113 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:54,160 nowhere on the planet was there a single 114 00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:56,240 individual with as much photographic 115 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:59,040 proof to back up a claim for contact 116 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:01,440 with non-earthly intelligence 117 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:02,880 certainly there were people who claimed 118 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,600 to have encountered lights ufos and 119 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:07,680 unknown entities and there were 120 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:10,240 photographs of ufos ghosts and other 121 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:13,120 strange phenomena but not a single soul 122 00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:16,240 on record could boast real after real of 123 00:05:21,749 --> 00:05:18,800 live-action movies to validate a 124 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:21,759 long-term succession of close encounters 125 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:24,320 with life forms from other than our own 126 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:31,350 now as was just noted in that quote this 127 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:34,000 really is an astounding case the case of 128 00:05:39,990 --> 00:05:36,880 dorothy isaac is astonishing because 129 00:05:43,749 --> 00:05:40,000 there is so much footage and it seems 130 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:43,759 genuinely authentic legitimate etc 131 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:45,919 as i said last week even 132 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:48,240 j alan heineck had this 133 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:50,560 footage examined forensically and he 134 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:52,800 could find no fault with it 135 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,400 the fact that it was eight millimeter 136 00:05:57,670 --> 00:05:56,639 film makes it much more difficult to 137 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:57,680 doctor 138 00:06:01,990 --> 00:05:59,360 and there was no evidence that had been 139 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:02,000 done beyond the pure character of 140 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:03,520 dorothy herself 141 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:05,360 the film was put through all sorts of 142 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:07,520 tests to see if there was any indication 143 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:10,400 it had been doctored there was none 144 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:12,960 and even more amazingly even if you were 145 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:15,039 to try and fake one of these that would 146 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,120 be something that would be quite an 147 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:19,919 effort involving a hollywood special 148 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:22,160 effects crew and a lot of time 149 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:25,199 energy money and resources 150 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:28,080 that's for one of these again there is 151 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:31,440 thirty thousand feet of footage 152 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:33,520 that is astonishing 153 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:35,360 and what's been gratifying to me is how 154 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,280 many people have reached out to me to 155 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:39,120 say they had not heard of the dorothy 156 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:42,000 isaac case prior to hearing last week's 157 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:42,960 episode 158 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:44,880 that is gratifying because this really 159 00:06:49,189 --> 00:06:46,960 is an astonishing case it may be the 160 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:49,199 most well documented case the most 161 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:51,840 compelling case in the history of the 162 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:57,670 now let's move to a part of the book 163 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:00,000 where dorothy is asking herself this 164 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:03,039 question why me and we learn more about 165 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:05,520 how dr heineck really thought this was a 166 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:08,479 unique case unlike any other 167 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:11,039 quote i asked that question over and 168 00:07:16,469 --> 00:07:14,160 over again she said why me i'm just an 169 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:16,479 ordinary person i've led a quiet life 170 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:18,400 raising my family and i've never 171 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:20,880 researched anything like this 172 00:07:25,029 --> 00:07:23,120 why was i able to get my movies and 173 00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:25,039 nobody else could do it 174 00:07:28,390 --> 00:07:26,639 oh i know somewhere in the world 175 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:28,400 somebody probably must have pictures 176 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:30,880 like mine but all the experts i talked 177 00:07:36,469 --> 00:07:34,240 to like dr heineck and dr eisenbud 178 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:36,479 said they didn't know of anybody 179 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:38,720 after the first few months i even asked 180 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:41,120 them the light beings and they seemed 181 00:07:45,029 --> 00:07:43,039 amused as if to say 182 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:45,039 what difference does it make 183 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:47,120 after a time probably because they were 184 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:48,960 tired of my asking 185 00:07:51,990 --> 00:07:50,800 they would say things like we've been 186 00:07:54,309 --> 00:07:52,000 with you 187 00:07:56,710 --> 00:07:54,319 many lifetimes and it would leave me 188 00:07:59,990 --> 00:07:56,720 puzzled were they saying i had lived 189 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,000 before on earth this idea of past lives 190 00:08:04,869 --> 00:08:02,479 was a bit unsettling to me 191 00:08:06,869 --> 00:08:04,879 unquote 192 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:06,879 now a few points to touch on from that 193 00:08:10,950 --> 00:08:08,639 last passage 194 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:10,960 number one i find it interesting and we 195 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:13,120 should make note that these beings 196 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:15,840 demonstrate a sense of humor this is not 197 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:17,520 the first time i've come across this 198 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:20,000 kind of situation in fact it's fairly 199 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:22,720 frequent and again this stands in 200 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:26,560 opposition or contrast to the typical 201 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:29,520 fair you sometimes hear in ufology 202 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:31,680 where there's a picture painted of these 203 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:35,279 uncaring unfeeling robot-like beings 204 00:08:41,190 --> 00:08:38,240 that have no sense of humor whatsoever 205 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:41,200 clearly some of them do these beings of 206 00:08:46,389 --> 00:08:43,360 light that dorothy is referencing 207 00:08:48,389 --> 00:08:46,399 certainly do and she encountered that 208 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:48,399 number two it's interesting that they 209 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:51,120 talked about this expanded modality of 210 00:08:55,509 --> 00:08:53,200 being a human being including 211 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:55,519 incarnations that spread over multiple 212 00:09:00,310 --> 00:08:57,839 lifetimes and again this is not the 213 00:09:03,430 --> 00:09:00,320 first time at all that we've come across 214 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:03,440 this notion that they know abductees 215 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,760 they know contactees and they know 216 00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:07,440 they've known them for 217 00:09:12,389 --> 00:09:10,399 lifetimes including periods supposedly 218 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:12,399 in between lifetimes 219 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:14,720 this shows up so much in the literature 220 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:16,880 behind the ufo phenomenon 221 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:18,640 that i think we have to pay close 222 00:09:21,670 --> 00:09:19,760 attention 223 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:21,680 and this is why it's so complicated to 224 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:23,839 try and make sense of this phenomenon 225 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:26,880 when we only rely on our everyday waking 226 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:28,880 experience and the few decades that 227 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:30,880 we've lived here 228 00:09:35,990 --> 00:09:33,440 lastly i'd like to point out that like 229 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:36,000 all of us dorothy had a background she 230 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:37,440 was a catholic 231 00:09:41,269 --> 00:09:39,839 so to her the notion of reincarnation 232 00:09:44,310 --> 00:09:41,279 was strange 233 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:44,320 foreign and in some ways didn't fit with 234 00:09:50,070 --> 00:09:47,200 the dogma she had been taught of course 235 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:50,080 now interestingly later on dorothy has 236 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:51,760 an interesting reading of a certain 237 00:09:56,790 --> 00:09:53,760 biblical passage that makes her believe 238 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:56,800 perhaps reincarnation is in the bible 239 00:10:00,870 --> 00:09:58,880 that may be a stretch we often do that 240 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:00,880 we read what we want to read from 241 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:02,800 scriptures like the bible 242 00:10:07,670 --> 00:10:04,800 nevertheless this was a new notion to 243 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:07,680 dorothy but what's interesting is the 244 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:10,720 others these beings of light provide 245 00:10:14,949 --> 00:10:12,720 further evidence 246 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:14,959 detailing this notion of past lives and 247 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:16,959 how they knew her and she's able to 248 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:22,870 now we'll get to details about the past 249 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:24,640 life in which these others may have 250 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:27,360 known dorothy later on 251 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:29,200 first i want to touch on something that 252 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:31,360 i mentioned in the introduction 253 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:33,360 beyond having a 254 00:10:38,949 --> 00:10:36,720 just natural innate capacity to perceive 255 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:38,959 elements of the spectrum that seem to be 256 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:41,440 beyond normal when you can pair it to 257 00:10:46,949 --> 00:10:44,079 the average human being 258 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:46,959 the others also did what dorothy called 259 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:48,000 tuning 260 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:50,160 they augmented her abilities even 261 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:52,560 further and this allowed for an even 262 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:56,480 more robust conversation communication 263 00:11:00,710 --> 00:10:58,480 discussion with them 264 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:00,720 quoting from the book again 265 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:03,040 in the ensuing weeks night after night 266 00:11:07,509 --> 00:11:05,040 the benevolent lights returned with 267 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,519 increasing vigor there was a parallel 268 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:10,160 inward change in dorothy one that was 269 00:11:15,670 --> 00:11:13,360 hard to define but dynamic nonetheless 270 00:11:20,150 --> 00:11:15,680 and a major turning point was reached on 271 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:20,160 a cold mid-december morning in 1974. 272 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:22,959 just before dawn dorothy awoke to a beam 273 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:24,800 of light that looked like an incredibly 274 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:27,440 beautiful amethyst mist 275 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:29,760 at the leading edge of the diffuse beam 276 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:33,519 a soft compassionate eye took shape and 277 00:11:39,430 --> 00:11:36,399 from it a narrow column of light emerged 278 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:39,440 and entered dorothy's left eye 279 00:11:43,509 --> 00:11:42,160 she felt no fear no anxiety no 280 00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:43,519 discomfort 281 00:11:48,230 --> 00:11:45,839 rather the action was sublime and 282 00:11:50,550 --> 00:11:48,240 uplifting and she knew it was an 283 00:11:53,590 --> 00:11:50,560 important part of a conditioning or 284 00:11:54,829 --> 00:11:53,600 purifying process intended to accelerate 285 00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:54,839 her 286 00:11:59,430 --> 00:11:57,279 understanding this event differed from 287 00:12:01,350 --> 00:11:59,440 the others in that there was a definite 288 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:01,360 mystical feel to it 289 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:04,240 something spiritual in its implication 290 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:06,720 she wrote i knew then more than ever 291 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:09,360 that all this was from god that my light 292 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:12,480 beings were in truth angelic in nature 293 00:12:18,550 --> 00:12:15,200 perhaps angels themselves or of such a 294 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:18,560 high order of life as to be angelic 295 00:12:22,949 --> 00:12:20,560 my mind reeled from the beautiful 296 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:22,959 amethyst light and i felt myself being 297 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:26,000 raised i knew i was being conditioned or 298 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:28,639 prepared in some way to perceive things 299 00:12:32,949 --> 00:12:29,760 differently 300 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:32,959 things like energy life space and time 301 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:35,120 and the actual existence of dimensions 302 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,760 of life unknown to me 303 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:39,920 the episode ended almost as quickly as 304 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:42,160 it had started and for a while dorothy 305 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:44,720 lay suspended between this world and 306 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:46,880 somewhere out there 307 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:49,600 she remembered thinking if only i had 308 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:51,680 proof of all of this some way to share 309 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:54,399 my experiences with others some way that 310 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,399 nobody can deny or say that i am 311 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:58,880 dreaming or imagining things 312 00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:01,680 from elsewhere an answer came 313 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:03,600 we will give you proof 314 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:09,040 dorothy heard nodded and smiled unquote 315 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:10,399 now there's something else i'd like to 316 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:13,120 touch on from that last passage 317 00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:15,360 remember again we all have a background 318 00:13:19,030 --> 00:13:17,519 we all have cultural conditioning we all 319 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:19,040 have a worldview 320 00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:21,760 dorothy came from a catholic worldview 321 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:24,480 and so it's not surprising that she saw 322 00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:27,360 these apparently benevolent illuminating 323 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:30,079 beings as angels 324 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:31,920 now you may dismiss that and say that 325 00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:34,160 just sounds dogmatic that sounds like 326 00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:36,240 the way a christian would interpret 327 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:38,399 these experiences we have no evidence 328 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:41,680 that's what they actually were or are 329 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:42,959 fair statement 330 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:45,760 i would just remind you that the very 331 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:47,760 experiences that are recorded for 332 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:49,920 instance in the old testament thousands 333 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:52,959 of years ago where human beings had 334 00:13:57,509 --> 00:13:54,639 dynamic 335 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:57,519 bewildering encounters with a kind of 336 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,720 other a being other than a human being 337 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:03,680 that was considered an angel 338 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:06,399 and yes dogmas and entire religions were 339 00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:08,880 formed around these experiences 340 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:09,680 when 341 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:11,279 these religions went through a phase 342 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:13,760 where they tried to normalize and 343 00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:16,000 catalog these experiences into something 344 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,160 safe that could be given something like 345 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:20,880 a book a tradition whether it began as 346 00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:23,120 an oral tradition and later became 347 00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:25,279 scripture written down 348 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:28,320 nevertheless let's remember that the ufo 349 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:30,240 phenomenon that's what we call it but 350 00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:33,199 these beings of light these otherworldly 351 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,160 beings 352 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:36,720 are the same ones very likely that human 353 00:14:41,189 --> 00:14:38,720 beings have been dealing with 354 00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:41,199 for centuries even millennia let's 355 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:44,639 remember that they may very well predate 356 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:51,430 with that said let's now move forward to 357 00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:54,160 when dorothy attempts to 358 00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:57,519 actually document her sightings 359 00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:59,920 quoting from the book again quote 360 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:01,920 two days after her conversation with 361 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:05,040 elaine alexander dorothy decided to film 362 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:06,320 the visitors 363 00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,600 at 7 30 pm on the night of december 14 364 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:11,279 1974 365 00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,600 she borrowed her husband's super 8 366 00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,920 millimeter movie camera and went to the 367 00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,839 darkened guest room 368 00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:19,839 a thin gray coating of starlight from 369 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,480 the window spread across the floor 370 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,440 i just stood there in the dark waiting i 371 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,440 was anxious because sometimes the 372 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:29,279 objects were there and sometimes they 373 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:31,360 weren't and i really wanted to prove 374 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:33,920 that i wasn't imagining these things 375 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,480 i sent the thought that i was there and 376 00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,720 while i waited i began to feel afraid 377 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:40,959 that they might not show up 378 00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:44,079 sighing dorothy sank back her vitality 379 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,120 drained by the monotony of staring into 380 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:49,759 a black sky 381 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,000 for the first time she was initiating 382 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:54,320 contact with the light beings the 383 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,519 situation was reversed and she felt she 384 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,160 had to reach out in an intense effort to 385 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:03,199 connect to unknown something in an 386 00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,040 unknown somewhere 387 00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:07,519 and the urgency of it the exertion of 388 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:10,399 trying to project herself outward almost 389 00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:12,000 made her cry 390 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,759 what if they didn't come back 391 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,600 she tried to imagine what it would be 392 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,000 like to live with an experience that she 393 00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:20,560 couldn't prove to anybody else 394 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:23,199 it was an awful prospect 395 00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:26,079 then as if in response to her distress a 396 00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:28,800 huge golden ball appeared surrounded by 397 00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:31,759 a ring that emitted specks of bright red 398 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,310 its quick appearance and breathtaking 399 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:39,120 beauty stunned dorothy momentarily and 400 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:41,120 for an instant she could nothing but 401 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,959 stand and watch 402 00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:44,639 with an effort she regained her 403 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:47,199 composure and concerned that even a pane 404 00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,920 of glass might impede the communication 405 00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,079 she threw open the window and mentally 406 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:54,320 asked permission to film 407 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,480 she pointed at the object then to her 408 00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:59,279 camera then at the object again nodding 409 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:01,759 her head the golden ball began to 410 00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,039 pulsate which she translated as a yes 411 00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,199 hands trembling dorothy raised the 412 00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:09,679 camera and began filming as the object 413 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,880 pulsed danced and maneuvered perfectly 414 00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,720 never moving far from the camera's 415 00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,400 narrow field of view 416 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,559 her relation was tempered only by her 417 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,799 concern that she wasn't operating the 418 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,319 camera correctly 419 00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,480 it was after all the first time she'd 420 00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,799 ever even held one 421 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,120 soon thereafter the fiery ball of light 422 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:32,000 vanished as suddenly as it had arrived 423 00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:34,720 dorothy exhausted fell into a chair 424 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:37,120 clutching the camera the little box of 425 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:39,200 plastic and glass held light from 426 00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:41,760 another world and to her it was more 427 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:44,840 valuable than a precious gem 428 00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:46,720 unquote 429 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,360 and thus these others these beings of 430 00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,360 light as dorothy called them 431 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:53,280 were true to their word they had 432 00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,520 provided her with the proof she was 433 00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,640 seeking 434 00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,559 when the footage came back 435 00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,280 it showed these same objects these same 436 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,120 phenomena and the sky that she was 437 00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,520 observing with her mind's eye 438 00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,960 elated and relieved dorothy now knew she 439 00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,039 could share this with the world she 440 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:12,720 could demonstrate that this was not her 441 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,320 imagination and she was not mentally ill 442 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,720 now of course word began to spread 443 00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,200 around vancouver and elsewhere 444 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,000 eventually even some of the cornerstones 445 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:27,120 of ufology heard about dorothy's case 446 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:29,360 j allen heineck was perhaps the most 447 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:31,520 important person that came across this 448 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,480 case and got behind dorothy 449 00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,400 he felt like this footage was definitely 450 00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,559 legitimate and he felt this case was 451 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:40,080 astounding 452 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,160 quoting from the book again after heinek 453 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,760 had seen the footage 454 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,720 quote 455 00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,520 hanik smiled genially of course i can't 456 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,200 be sure without studying the film more 457 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:51,600 closely but the lights appear to change 458 00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,320 position instantly i suspect this 459 00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,799 happens within each frame 460 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,640 can you account for this 461 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,200 no i can't it's a mystery to me i can't 462 00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,520 slow down the film speed or make it go 463 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,919 faster i can sometimes see the lights 464 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:08,400 move but never as fast as they move on 465 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:09,679 the film 466 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,160 a fixed film speed that's important 467 00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,240 hynek said skimming over a dozen 468 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,919 photographs dorothy had spread on the 469 00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,280 coffee table 470 00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,679 this film is moving at 18 frames per 471 00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:21,919 second which means the lights move 472 00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,720 considerable distances in 1 18 of a 473 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,559 second or less 474 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:28,960 dorothy nodded her head yes it all 475 00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,600 happens in the blink of an eye 476 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,120 sometimes it feels as though they're 477 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,600 coming right at me when there's a flash 478 00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,440 i sometimes know they've moved very 479 00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,440 rapidly in my direction 480 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,679 i can feel it 481 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:47,430 now being intrigued by that statement of 482 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,240 dorothy's about being able to feel this 483 00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,640 he asks in a follow-up part of the book 484 00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,919 quote 485 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,720 by feel do you mean a physical sensation 486 00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,240 heinek asks 487 00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,400 it's hard to explain it started when i 488 00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,640 first saw them and even more so after i 489 00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,799 picked up my camera and started filming 490 00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,440 with it sometimes something happens like 491 00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,159 some sort of energy transference i don't 492 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:12,799 know how they do it it's all so quick so 493 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,280 fast of course sometimes the light's so 494 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,679 bright it hurts my eyes a little 495 00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,520 do you believe you're in communication 496 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:21,360 with the lights 497 00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,320 oh dear i suppose dorothy hesitated not 498 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,159 sure of how her answer would settle in 499 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,640 the mind of the practical scientist 500 00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,080 heinek 501 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,799 well yes i think so because i do know 502 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:34,960 when they're there i sometimes see a 503 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,520 flash of light inside the house and at 504 00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,440 other times i just sense them and i 505 00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,880 start filming 506 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,880 when you see those bright white flashes 507 00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,280 on the films i think that's when they're 508 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:47,679 sending me something or sort of talking 509 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,390 now as i mentioned in the introduction 510 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,240 part of what's so fascinating about 511 00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,880 dorothy's case is that she had this 512 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,840 uncanny ability to perceive elements of 513 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,720 the spectrum far beyond what is typical 514 00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440 or ordinary for a human being 515 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,120 again some of this seemed to be an 516 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,600 innate talent she had 517 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:14,400 and some of it was because of a tuning 518 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,240 or a augmentation done by these others 519 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,080 including that passage we discussed 520 00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,600 earlier 521 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,919 now this was demonstrated in numerous 522 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,080 ways in the book it really is astounding 523 00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,760 in the life of dorothy 524 00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,080 how often she sees things that most 525 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,520 people can't 526 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,440 including things that science once 527 00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,280 believed were impossible for human 528 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,880 beings to perceive 529 00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,520 this includes microwaves as i mentioned 530 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,120 in the introduction 531 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:42,880 and now quoting from the book again 532 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,400 quote verification of dorothy's unusual 533 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,080 visual acuity 534 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,159 came quite accidentally when she 535 00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,480 discovered she could actually see 536 00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,919 microwaves 537 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,520 it happened while heating a cup of 538 00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,360 chocolate in the microwave oven for 539 00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,919 dunkin she said i was watching the cup 540 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,240 to make sure it didn't boil over and i 541 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,720 could see their microwaves coming down 542 00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,960 it was pretty they were coming from two 543 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,280 sides and crisscrossing each other where 544 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,400 they came down in the center dorothy 545 00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,400 brought the cup to duncan i didn't 546 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,480 realize how pretty microwaves are to 547 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,280 watch she said with quiet assurance 548 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,880 what do you mean 549 00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,960 the microwaves in the oven they're very 550 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:23,919 pretty 551 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,240 duncan looked at her incredulously 552 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,400 dorothy you can't see microwaves that's 553 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,600 impossible 554 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,080 oh yes i can dorothy replied i was just 555 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,360 watching them 556 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,360 she gestured and explained how they 557 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,200 crossed above the cup 558 00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,280 duncan leaned his head back against the 559 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,360 chair and looked at the ceiling 560 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,600 all right if you say you saw microwaves 561 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,240 you saw microwaves i guess it does sound 562 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,320 strange dorothy said trailing her words 563 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,480 as she left the room but i really did 564 00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,840 see them 565 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,360 the next day dorothy mentioned the 566 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,600 incident to several people and each had 567 00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,080 the same comment microwaves aren't 568 00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,080 visible to the human eye 569 00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,919 it wasn't until several weeks later that 570 00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:04,320 the confirmation came in a roundabout 571 00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:05,120 way 572 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,039 i was heating water in the oven and saw 573 00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,720 their microwaves again 574 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,320 this time i noticed that some of them 575 00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,840 were shooting out of the left side of 576 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:13,520 the oven and were striking the 577 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,669 that alarmed me dorothy phoned the 578 00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,360 appliance outlet where she had bought 579 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,159 the oven and the repairman was sent 580 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,320 he checked the oven for leaks and after 581 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,720 time said i don't find anything wrong 582 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,039 here i told him to check again dorothy 583 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,600 recalled he gave an odd look but he 584 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,440 checked it again and sure enough it was 585 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,480 leaking 586 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,880 he asked me how i knew and i didn't want 587 00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:40,960 to tell him because i felt stupid about 588 00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,279 it i just told him i noticed that he'd 589 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,840 missed a part in his inspection 590 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,840 he said the leak wasn't at a dangerous 591 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,159 level thank goodness the clincher came 592 00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,320 when a group of local enthusiasts met 593 00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,480 with dorothy several weeks later 594 00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,559 one of them an engineer listened to 595 00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,960 dorothy's microwave story and then 596 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,120 examined the oven himself 597 00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:02,960 he read it serial numbers and asked her 598 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,679 to explain what the microwaves look like 599 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,240 dorothy obliged and then the man smiled 600 00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,880 that's exactly right he said i designed 601 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,159 this model 602 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,880 it was sweet revenge dorothy remembered 603 00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,880 duncan heard what the engineer said and 604 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,279 after that he never doubted me neither 605 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,840 did anybody else personally i never 606 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,440 questioned what i saw 607 00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,200 as i think back it must have been 608 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,200 because i didn't know that people 609 00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,520 weren't supposed to see microwaves 610 00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,000 unquote 611 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,919 now i'd like to move to a section of the 612 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,320 book that recounts one experience 613 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,320 dorothy had there are probably several 614 00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,200 of these but this one particular case 615 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,960 was mentioned in the book 616 00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,440 and i found it astounding 617 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,559 the implications really are astonishing 618 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,200 and perhaps telling in terms of 619 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,960 giving us a better picture of what's 620 00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,600 going on with this phenomenon 621 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,679 someone might read this passage and go 622 00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,360 right by it and not notice the 623 00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,400 implication 624 00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,720 but it is quite compelling quite 625 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,400 interesting i want to bring it to your 626 00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,320 attention 627 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,480 remember as i just read 628 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,679 dorothy was filming the footage with her 629 00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,480 husband's eight millimeter camera okay 630 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,320 and she was always able to capture the 631 00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,320 footage with the camera and then she 632 00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,880 could share that film with other people 633 00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,120 and they could also see the footage once 634 00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,799 it was on film 635 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,679 even though they often could not see the 636 00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,080 objects or the phenomena in the sky in 637 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,080 real time which is fascinating in itself 638 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,480 now one of the questions hynek asked was 639 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,320 is there anything unusual about this 640 00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,960 camera he had it examined taken apart 641 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,799 and put back together there was nothing 642 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,480 unusual about it 643 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,960 and it goes further than that 644 00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,360 one time dorothy actually exchanged 645 00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,679 cameras with someone else 646 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,919 they filmed with dorothy's original 647 00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,440 camera the one that had caught all the 648 00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,080 footage while she filmed with a 649 00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,039 different camera now what happened was 650 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,159 quite astonishing 651 00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,840 now let me paint the picture a little 652 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,400 bit so this is clear what happens here 653 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,679 and i think you'll understand the 654 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,440 implications 655 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,080 so elaine a friend of dorothy's and 656 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,320 dorothy prepared to shoot some footage 657 00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,640 because dorothy has spotted two little 658 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,720 blue lights by the moon 659 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:23,679 so they go outdoors to try and film this 660 00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,559 now 661 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,200 elaine is using dorothy's original 662 00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,200 camera her husband's camera the camera 663 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,520 that had successfully captured all of 664 00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,320 the footage up until now 665 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,559 dorothy this time was using a different 666 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,360 camera so let's remember that now what's 667 00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,600 also intriguing and 668 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,840 important for what ends up happening 669 00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,080 dorothy again can see these two blue 670 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,559 lights by the moon her friend elaine 671 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,360 cannot see them but dorothy points to 672 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,640 where they're going to shoot right by 673 00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:55,200 the moon and they both film in that 674 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,789 now perhaps you're wondering what will 675 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,360 happen when this footage comes back 676 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,960 well let me quote from that section of 677 00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,720 the book quote 678 00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,960 after an interval of filming they again 679 00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,039 marked each film with the same images as 680 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,360 before enclosing the experimental 681 00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,600 footage between the markers 682 00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,039 when the films came back from the 683 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,559 developer they were identical almost 684 00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,720 elaine's film showed the image of the 685 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,600 moon between the id markers 686 00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,840 dorothy's film taken with her son's 687 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,559 camera showed the moon between the id 688 00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,720 markers of the entryway 689 00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,679 with one intriguing addition 690 00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:38,240 two little blue lights moved in a spiral 691 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,799 alongside the moon unquote 692 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,880 so let us be clear here 693 00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,440 when dorothy was the one operating the 694 00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,520 original camera her husband's eight 695 00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,200 millimeter camera 696 00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,120 she was able to successfully capture the 697 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,360 footage every single time 698 00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,600 she would see something in the sky film 699 00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,600 it and it was captured and then other 700 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,880 people could observe the film 701 00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,840 however if someone else used that same 702 00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:07,919 camera even when there were objects in 703 00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,480 the sky that dorothy could see 704 00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,399 they were not captured by the same 705 00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,480 camera if the person operating the 706 00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,279 camera could not see the objects in real 707 00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,240 time 708 00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,200 whereas dorothy using a different camera 709 00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,080 was able to capture the objects that she 710 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,520 was seeing 711 00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:27,760 this really is astounding what it 712 00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,919 basically demonstrates here 713 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,399 is a kind of entanglement 714 00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,039 that whatever camera happens to be being 715 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,039 held by dorothy 716 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,880 takes on the capacity where it can 717 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,600 actually capture this footage 718 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,080 now quantum entanglement talks about 719 00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,320 this kind of thing where you have two 720 00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,559 objects that used to be separate and had 721 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,799 their own destinies their own histories 722 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,360 but when they become entangled from then 723 00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,080 on they are somehow connected even if 724 00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:57,919 they're moved to the opposite ends of 725 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,039 the universe they are still basically 726 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,919 now one entangled object and that's why 727 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,799 if you 728 00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,200 change one you will have a simultaneous 729 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:10,240 change in the other regardless of space 730 00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,600 and time because they are now entangled 731 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:16,240 that's how quantum physics understands 732 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,120 that 733 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,640 this seems to be exactly what's 734 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,240 happening with these cameras that 735 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,360 dorothy uses when she uses the camera 736 00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,120 filming something she can see in real 737 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:27,279 time the capture 738 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,919 happens because this camera is entangled 739 00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:32,240 with dorothy herself 740 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:38,630 now another fascinating aspect of the 741 00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,080 dorothy isaac case is that not only did 742 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,559 she see objects in the sky 743 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,200 light phenomena manifesting in the skies 744 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,640 outside her house 745 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,880 in richmond british columbia a suburb of 746 00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,240 vancouver 747 00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,559 but eventually she starts seeing the 748 00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,279 entities themselves in fact a wide 749 00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,120 variety of beings 750 00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,480 now this section of the book i'm going 751 00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,440 to quote from now details when she first 752 00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:07,200 sees these light beings 753 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,880 quote then on december 10 1977 while 754 00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,600 filming an immense white glowing sphere 755 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,000 dorothy asked the intelligence behind or 756 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,320 within the light to show her what they 757 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,039 looked like there was a sudden flash and 758 00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,600 as the object moved abruptly to the left 759 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159 a face appeared beside it 760 00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,240 the elephant face was clearly visible to 761 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,480 the right of the object a pronounced 762 00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,440 forehead deep set eyes cheeks and even 763 00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,039 the nostrils showed plainly dorothy knew 764 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,520 somehow that this was one of many types 765 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:42,720 of beings that populate the universe 766 00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,399 in a journal entry dated january 11 1978 767 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,039 dorothy wrote i feel now that i'm in 768 00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,520 constant and very strong communication 769 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,159 with the overseers i call them light 770 00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,240 beings they are all light beings in a 771 00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,360 sense but not all are the light beings 772 00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,760 the light beings don't look like aliens 773 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,720 or what we've come to think of as aliens 774 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,320 they're made of light and are quite 775 00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,320 majestic in appearance 776 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,399 sort of what we might think of as 777 00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,350 they seem to be in control like 778 00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,039 directors i guess 779 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,039 i can ask them anything and they give me 780 00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,600 the answer i can say that i want to see 781 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,360 something or know something and they 782 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,080 almost always give me what i ask for 783 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,640 if i ask to see a ufo they arrange for a 784 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,440 ufo to show up if i ask to see what the 785 00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,840 beings inside the ufo look like they 786 00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,799 show me 787 00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,799 if i ask about something in the world 788 00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:39,279 that might be happening they show me and 789 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,559 explain why it's happening 790 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,880 i've experienced such warmth and love 791 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,559 when they're present that i'm certain 792 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:49,120 they are angels or very spiritual in 793 00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,159 nature 794 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,559 when i'm sad or worried they show up out 795 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,640 of nowhere to comfort me 796 00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,200 they have form now and sometimes they 797 00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,440 take shape in my house 798 00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,679 it's not a scary thing at all because 799 00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,840 they've always been respectful they 800 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,080 don't pull at me or do things to me 801 00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:07,840 they've always kept a respectful 802 00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:10,880 distance unquote 803 00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:13,919 now as i mentioned earlier when dorothy 804 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,120 asked why me and she inquired as to how 805 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,760 they seemed to know her so well 806 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,000 it's because they knew her over many 807 00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,200 lifetimes was the response she received 808 00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,080 now dorothy being a curious person could 809 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,559 only stand this for so long she needed 810 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,000 to know more 811 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,000 so she actually sought out someone who 812 00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,960 could give her a past life regression 813 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,399 now she had always been somewhat 814 00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,360 skeptical of these kinds of endeavors 815 00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,039 and yet she really felt like she needed 816 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,519 to find out if there was anything that 817 00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,600 corresponded with what she was told by 818 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,919 these others 819 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,799 now in this regression she had an 820 00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,360 experience what she remembered was her 821 00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,240 being a princess amongst this small 822 00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,360 group 823 00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,159 a civilization that lived inside caves 824 00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,159 in ancient greece 825 00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,519 and actually in a city called maneris 826 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,679 now what's fascinating is 827 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,480 after this regression dorothy initially 828 00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,480 is somewhat skeptical even though she 829 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,720 remembers having this regression and had 830 00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,880 these memories she had a hard time 831 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,200 believing they were real she had never 832 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,279 really believed in reincarnation before 833 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,200 this again she came from a catholic 834 00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,360 background this was not part of her 835 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,039 worldview 836 00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,880 nevertheless curiosity got to her she 837 00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,519 reached out to historians and gave 838 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,679 details regarding this 839 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,480 past life experience that she'd had 840 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,320 in fact she didn't give too many details 841 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,399 she didn't say that she was inquiring 842 00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,840 because she thought she might have been 843 00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,159 someone in a past life she just gave 844 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,600 details about this place maneris that 845 00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,039 was a 846 00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919 society basically a small society a city 847 00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,840 civilization basically that lived in 848 00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:00,320 caves in ancient greece 849 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,440 now what's 850 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,679 illuminating and fascinating is that 851 00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,000 eventually this skeptical historian who 852 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,159 didn't think he would find anything 853 00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,240 contacted dorothy with some very 854 00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:16,149 what this historian told her was that he 855 00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,839 had indeed found evidence of a small 856 00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:23,040 cave village called maneris in ancient 857 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,399 greece 858 00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,560 even more interesting there actually 859 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,960 still was a group that lived in those 860 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,440 caves this was a group mostly cut off 861 00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,320 from society who kept to themselves and 862 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,040 yet numerous details that were uncovered 863 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:39,760 during this past life regression 864 00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,440 came back as corresponding directly with 865 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,919 what the historian was able to find 866 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:48,240 about this ancient village in ancient 867 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,200 greece 868 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,869 now in conclusion i'd like to say a few 869 00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,560 things about this experience that 870 00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,800 dorothy had regarding this past life 871 00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,560 regression 872 00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,720 the more i speak with and learn about 873 00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,359 experiencers who come to understand that 874 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:07,599 their identity extends beyond this 875 00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,520 finite 3d plus one human incarnation 876 00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,760 the more i'm convinced our expanded 877 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:16,560 nature is as much a key to the ultimate 878 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,320 truth behind the ufo phenomenon as the 879 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,839 others are 880 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,480 the implication here is that when we try 881 00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:26,880 to make sense of the ufo phenomenon 882 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,839 while embodying this daily waking state 883 00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,880 within our 3d plus one construct 884 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,440 we are missing vast aspects of the 885 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,440 relevant data 886 00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,520 not the least of which is information 887 00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:43,119 about us the totality of who we are who 888 00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,720 we've been who we are becoming 889 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,400 if we're in relationship with these 890 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,960 others over multiple lifetimes then 891 00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,280 clearly that changes the nature of the 892 00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,390 knowing that we may have indeed 893 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,800 volunteered for missions in this 894 00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,760 incarnation of course also changes the 895 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,880 picture 896 00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,040 and that's just thinking in terms of one 897 00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,800 life to the next 898 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,119 the thing is we're still trapped in this 899 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:13,920 mentality where we live and die in this 900 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,440 mortal body and then may take on another 901 00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,400 form another incarnation following that 902 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,640 in a linear fashion 903 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,040 but russell targ and others have 904 00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,280 suggested based on research they have 905 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,079 done that it may be more accurate to see 906 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,880 that we have parallel aspects to our 907 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,680 being and our waking state here in this 908 00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:38,160 3d plus one construct 909 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,359 is merely one of those modalities 910 00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,320 indeed ufo contactees have repeatedly 911 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,200 reported coming into contact bringing 912 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,400 online as it were additional modalities 913 00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,640 of their own existence when they're in 914 00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:55,760 the realm of these others 915 00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,359 so once again one thinks of plato's cave 916 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,760 and beings trying to make sense of the 917 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:03,520 totality of all 918 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,280 that is by observing mere shadows on the 919 00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,520 wall 920 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,079 in other words we are like those beings 921 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,000 trying to make sense of the ufo 922 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,320 phenomenon and the totality of 923 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,520 everything 924 00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,160 based on the shadows on a wall 925 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,720 that is what we have available to us in 926 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,760 our normal waking state in this 3d plus 927 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,839 one construct 928 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,640 that's perhaps only a small 929 00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,200 portion of the total just a partial 930 00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:35,920 picture of something much more 931 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,839 fascinating and multifaceted 932 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,560 and on that note we've come to the close 933 00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,240 of another edition of the point of 934 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,079 convergence podcast 935 00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,560 as always let's keep this conversation 936 00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:50,960 going and growing 937 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,440 but until next time friends from deep 938 00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,280 within the blue ridge mountains of north